Mystery, Misery and Murder - E53

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Dave: In 1986, a seance conducted by two young girls in

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an attempt to reach their recently deceased mother opens

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what is believed to be a doorway to another realm, but it's much

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more sinister than anyone could have imagined.

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A doorway that led to mystery, misery and murder.

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I'm Dave Jarry, I'm Garrett Courter and this is Criminal as

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So, first up we have Stu Muertos.

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Stu Muertos and this is more of a hands-on question I like it

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and they want to know have you ever tried a peanut butter,

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jelly and mayonnaise sandwich?

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Fucking disgusting.

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Mayo is the grossest shit in the world for me.

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He says I've been eating this since I was a child and it's

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awesome.

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What I have yet to find anyone who will try it, let alone like

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it.

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Well, stu Mortos, you've come to the right place, as I just so

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happen to have a peanut butter jelly and mayonnaise sandwich.

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Garrett: Right here, Dave gets to my house and is like, hey, do

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you have peanut butter, jelly and mayo?

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I'm like, yeah, I was like what are you going to do with that?

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Dave: All right, so let's give it a roll.

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Garrett: Oh, I can't even watch you eat that shit.

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Dave: He says that you're going to have three slices of bread,

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so the peanut butter and jelly goes on as a regular sandwich,

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and then you put the mayonnaise on top and then put another

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slice of bread on top.

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Garrett: So here it is.

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Here I'm gonna give a little shot.

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Yeah, chew in the mic, get a good.

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Oh, knowing that's peanut butter jelly mayo and fucking.

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Oh, bro, first off, there's a couple things wrong with this.

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If you're doing a peanut butter jelly sandwich, you can't do

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have three pieces of bread.

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It's all about the consistency, it's about the layers.

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You know what I mean.

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It's like putting too much cheese on a pizza.

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It's wrong.

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Dave: When you add a layer of mayonnaise, you're going to add

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another layer of bread.

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Garrett: Don't add the layer of mayo.

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I just don't get that.

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Why?

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Alright, that's so interesting to me.

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Here's my result You're not going to?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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I'm not even a fan of peanut butter and jelly, let alone mayo

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peanut butter and jelly.

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Dave: All right.

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Final analysis it's not bad, yeah sure.

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Garrett: It sounds gross.

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You're trying to help him out by saying, yeah, yeah, buddy,

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you're not weird.

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Dave: You get the poteness of the peanut butter.

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You get the sweetness of the jelly.

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And the cumshot.

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Texture of the jizz.

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Texture of the mayo.

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Yeah, who doesn't like that?

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I mean, go on, onion is probably gonna eat the rest of

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it.

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All right, actually, yeah, it wasn't that bad.

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So there you go, stewmortos.

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Garrett: Now you have another thing yeah, but you didn't love

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it I mean it's, it's not something this guy.

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This guy gets excited when he gets that gets home from lunch

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and he's like, oh, I'm going to make a fucking peanut butter and

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jelly and mayonnaise.

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Dave: Estoy muertos.

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Yeah, estoy muertos.

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So thank you very much.

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Garrett: Not bad, you have interesting taste buds, buddy

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yeah not bad.

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Dave: Everybody should at least try it just once.

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All right, so thank you very much, Estoy Muertos.

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And Thank you very much, Stu Mortos.

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And next we have our friend Kate Goanna with another voice

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question from Australia.

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Speaker 5: We'll see.

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Is there anything that people do in traffic that just makes

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you want to go postal For me?

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If I let somebody in in traffic and they don't give me the

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thank you wave or the acknowledgement, I want to

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actually pursue them and hunt them down until they do it

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drives me insane, for some reason.

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Garrett: She sounds like she belongs in America.

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Speaker 5: It really sticks in my craw.

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Anyway, guys, keep doing what you're doing.

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You're absolutely hilarious.

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I'm out on the road a lot during the day and I love, love

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listening to you guys.

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So have a wonderful day.

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Dave: Wow, look at Kate Sticks in my craw.

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Garrett: Sticks in her craw.

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Dave: She's got a little DB.

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Garrett: She sounds very American.

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I feel like road rage is a.

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It's a common.

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Yeah, we get chewed out set over road rage, yeah here.

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Dave: Yeah, I like seeing the little devious side of Kate.

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That was pretty interesting.

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I want to hunt them down.

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So I would say that driving is probably one of the only places

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where I get really fucking disgruntled, like I'm a pretty

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laid back dude like most of the time, but being on the highway,

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as Kate would say, really sticks in my craw.

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Garrett: Sticks in my craw.

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The highway Highway's the worst .

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Yeah, I don't know, it's around town for me.

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Dave: Sometimes around town, yeah, but I would say my biggest

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pet peeve is when, like when, people have to merge into one

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lane because there's like an accident or construction going

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on, yeah, and they just fly by and they're just like and the

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driver's just passing, everybody trying to squeeze into the line

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at the last possible second, like you're the fucking reason

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why traffic is so fucked up.

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Yeah, you know, I mean.

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You're like you're creating this whole clusterfuck by

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creating a congestion at the point of the merge.

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You know, I mean yeah, you should have got over right now

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yeah, there's like signs that are like a mile and a half back

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saying hey, left lane or right lane is closed.

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Ahead like, just move the over so we can all just go through.

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You know what I mean like, oh, that hit, like now that I'm

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older and I get more ornery and ornery, ornery, got all them

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teeth, got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

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I keep going.

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Uh yeah, I'm like losing fucks by the day, like I really don't

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give a fuck anymore.

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So what I'll do now is that whenever there's a merge and I

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see fucking dickheads like trying to pass, to get up ahead,

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I'll actually move over and like take up both lanes, you're

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gonna block them oh man, you know, I mean and like I'll take

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up both lanes so nobody can go by, and then somebody else will

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be like hey he's got a pretty good idea and then they'll like

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go over and like take up half the breakdown lane so they can't

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get on.

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So now we're just cluster fucking the whole fucking thing,

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like go fuck yourself.

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You're like burn the whole fucking bridge down if I can't,

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if I can't cross right that's it for me.

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Garrett: It's always what pisses , pisses me off, and it's always

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a truck.

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For some reason it's always a truck when you're just, you're

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just trying to go and he knows that like you're, you're trying

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to get by him and he take, you, take that slow turn off of it

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you know what I mean when you're just driving and then that guy

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will just sit there and take six hours to turn and, like you'll

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see him looking at you the whole time.

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Yeah, I fucking hate you know, I'm saying when they slow down

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no basic standstill.

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You can literally just take the left, yeah, and they just slow

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roll it I get.

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I get as close as I can to that back quarter panel yeah, and I

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just, I just want to fucking.

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I want to drive my car right in the back of them.

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I hate that shit.

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It's always a truck too.

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They think they, they, own the road.

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That's really it.

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I don't.

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I usually I'm really good at letting people in.

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I let people.

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I don't really.

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Yeah, I'm a very like passive driver.

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I don't, I mean I always I always let somebody go ahead of

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me, I always see, there there's a rule to the road.

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Dave: So like, like, if you're like at a concert or a football

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game and stuff, you know, and you're like trying to get into

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traffic, it's like one then the other than the other, you know,

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I mean you take turns, get into the line, whatever, like, I'm

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all about that, but if I see the second person trying to cut in,

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I will fucking smash into their fucking car.

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Garrett: I don't give a fuck, you have such you.

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This is, this is what I'm telling you guys.

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If there are ever bodies found around norwich, connecticut just

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know that your podcast host has elevated to another level.

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Dave: There is nothing that pisses me off than uncourteous

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drivers.

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You know what I mean.

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Like kind of like you were saying yeah, I.

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Garrett: it's like we're all here.

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There's like rules.

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There's unwritten rules.

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Let's follow them, let's abide by them Right.

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But I will say this though All my friends if I ever drive to

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New York my wife, my friends, my family they always designate me

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to drive through New York City.

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You have I turn into a New Yorker when I do it.

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That's a different level.

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Anybody who's never been to New York if you've been there and

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just taken cabs like you're just visiting, if you actually drive

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those streets, man, you got to yell, scream, beep.

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Dave: Lay on the horn.

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Speaker 5: You got to cut people off.

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Dave: That's just how it is you got to do it.

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It's actually kind of fun.

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It's like a demolition derby.

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Garrett: Yeah it's, it's gotta fucking yeah that's how that

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tests you as a real driver.

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Right there, get as close as you can on someone's back end,

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right fucking ride there, absolutely all right.

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Dave: Thank you very much, kate.

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Uh, next we have a question from I am serious and don't call

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me shirley.

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What quote is that from?

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Garrett: I'm trying, I was trying to remember.

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I saw that in the show notes.

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Yeah, and I was trying.

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I was like it sounds familiar, but I didn't know where it was

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from.

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Dave: Surely it can't be serious .

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Oh uh, I am serious.

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Airplane.

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Garrett: I see how I knew it.

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Dave: Surely it can't be serious .

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Oh my God, I am serious One time.

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Garrett: Don't call me Shirley.

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I don't know if I can tell this on the podcast, but I'm not an

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expert.

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And I was watching Airplane and I'm telling you I've never

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laughed so I've seen it a million times already, but it

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was the fun.

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To that day that was probably the most I've ever laughed at a

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movie.

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It's just a classic.

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Speaker 5: It's a classic.

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It's such a classic and it's so dry, that it's.

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Garrett: I don't speak, jive, I do it's.

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I don't speak, jive, I do all right.

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Dave: So their question is I posted this on instagram and

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patreon the other day.

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Uh question is if someone handed you a book about your

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life right now, from birth to death, would you read it to the

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end?

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Now, you can't change anything in the book.

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Like the book, this is your life, this is what what has

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happened, is currently happening and will happen.

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You can't change anything any of it.

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Would you read it?

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Speaker 5: I get to see how it ends, yeah oh fuck.

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Garrett: No, I'm good you're not reading it.

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No, I would.

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I up to that point, sure I'll read it.

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I'll relive the.

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I don't even know, though.

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I can't even relisten to a podcast episode without cringing

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, without cringing yeah, I did that yeah, I just I don't know,

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maybe I, maybe I can't do it yeah can I pick spurs?

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Is it chapter by chapter, like age by age?

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I might pick out the highlight, the highlight films.

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I might really really the highlights, the cliff notes, yep

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, and then uh, yeah, no, I, and then yeah, no, I don't want to

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know how it ends.

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Dave: Yeah, basically it's like do you want to know how you're

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going to die?

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Basically, that's what it is.

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I mean because you've already Well, not even just that, You've

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already I might live under a fucking bridge.

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Garrett: You know what I mean.

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I might lose everything you never know.

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I might live in a fucking trailer home with Pantheons,

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pantheon, columns.

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Dave: See, like my whole thing is like, like I wouldn't want to

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know how I die or when or what.

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Like I said, you can't change it.

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Like that's, it's written, it's the way it's going to be.

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The thing that would that I would refuse to want to know

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about is what happens to my family, my kids, my like if, if

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I read like a couple chapters ahead and it's like, oh, this

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happens to your cut kid, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, yeah

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, that would fuck you.

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Like what the fuck?

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Nope, nope, I don't want to know anything, nope yeah, no,

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that's that doesn't.

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Garrett: I don't think anybody would want to do that, but if it

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was all right, here we go, though, if that book was in

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front of you on your coffee table right every day.

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It never left.

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It had to stay on your coffee table.

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It would be very hard not to.

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It'd be like.

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You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: The red button.

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Garrett: It would be like the red button that says do not

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press right in the middle of your coffee table.

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Because you know it's going to be like no, I don't want to.

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And then you'd be sitting there watching TV looking like, oh

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fuck, I'll just read one chapter and then you'll just keep going

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, you'll keep going.

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Dave: And then all of a sudden you'll realize wait, there's no

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more chapters.

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Or you read up to like present day yeah, and there's only like

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three pages left.

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Garrett: Oh no.

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Dave: This book should be a lot bigger.

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Yeah, I'm not reading it.

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Reading it?

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Nope, nope.

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I don't want to know anything.

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Yeah, I'm with you on that, no way, uh, so great question,

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don't call me shirley.

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Uh, next we have lucy and she wants to know don't call me

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shirley that's funny would you rather?

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Garrett: have to bring him to the hospital.

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Yeah, what is it?

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It's a big brick building.

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That's funny.

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Dave: All right.

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So Lucy asked would you rather be faced with a tiger shark or a

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saltwater crocodile?

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Garrett: Oh, that's a good one.

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I'm going tiger shark.

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Dave: I would much rather face a Tiger Shark.

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Garrett: I've seen too many National Geographic videos of

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them redirecting them with their hands.

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Dave: Right, you know what I mean.

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Just give them a little tap and they're just like okay.

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Garrett: But a saltwater croc, you're not fucking redirecting.

00:16:15
Yeah, no, even though then again too is.

00:16:19
You also see a lot of those, a lot of crocodiles are fucking

00:16:21
dumb.

00:16:22
They're dumb as shit.

00:16:32
You can literally just step over them and they'll be like

00:16:34
they look like.

00:16:34
They look like an old person trying to eat, like they're

00:16:35
missing their fucking spoon.

00:16:38
They do, though they're, they're dumb people are like oh,

00:16:40
saltwater crocs are hilarious.

00:16:41
You see some of those guys.

00:16:42
They slap them in the face and shit, they're like they just

00:16:45
snap, they don't I feel like one saltwater croc is not that

00:16:49
scary if you have like, if you're swimming through a river

00:16:52
of them then, you're fucked but like one.

00:16:55
Dave: Well, I'm saying this all saltwater, freshwater, whatever

00:16:59
crocodiles, alligators, well yeah, they can all fuck off the

00:17:01
hell because they got that Death spin shit.

00:17:06
Garrett: Yeah, what I mean?

00:17:06
What's a lock?

00:17:07
Dave: once they lock and they fucking twist you around and rip

00:17:09
your fucking legs off and shit.

00:17:10
And then if you got two crocodiles and each have like a

00:17:13
fucking limb and they're both doing the twist thing, yeah,

00:17:15
you're doing a fucking sucks and then they'll just bring your

00:17:17
body underwater and story under a rock later.

00:17:20
Garrett: Right, they'll eat you underwater.

00:17:22
Dave: So, but we are scientific here at criminal AF and I looked

00:17:26
up some stats.

00:17:27
Oh, okay, so up until 2021 Crocs for sure there have been

00:17:32
131 attacks and 34 deaths ever recorded for tiger shark.

00:17:40
Yeah, so 34 human deaths in the history of ever recording tiger

00:17:44
shark attacks.

00:17:45
Okay, now let's check on saltwater I guarantee you, it's

00:17:48
in the thousands now in the defense of the saltwater

00:17:52
crocodiles.

00:17:53
It doesn't separate between saltwater and freshwater, but

00:17:56
the number of human fatalities is let me check my notes here 1

00:18:01
000 per year holy shit yeah so yeah fuck that.

00:18:06
A thousand per year, yes, of human deaths by crocodiles.

00:18:10
There you go.

00:18:10
Garrett: And not only that, they fucking eat each other also oh

00:18:13
yeah, how many times I've seen videos of like trainers or

00:18:17
whatever at like uh zoos throw in a chicken, and then one of

00:18:20
them like they both snap yeah, one of them grabs the other

00:18:24
alligator and then starts death rolling, rips off that

00:18:26
alligator's ear or arm, arm, sorry, it's crazy yep, it's nuts

00:18:31
yeah, like tiger sharks, usually the only attack.

00:18:34
Dave: If you provoke them or if you piss them off somehow or now

00:18:37
, crocodiles will fucking hunt you down and murder you on

00:18:40
purpose.

00:18:40
Garrett: Yeah, you know what I mean I I think also too is jaws

00:18:44
put a fear in people.

00:18:46
I think it was such a prolific film at the time that it just

00:18:49
created shark culture, like shark hate shark being scared of

00:18:53
sharks yeah when, really, if you look at the stats across the

00:18:55
board, yeah, you're more likely to die by like almost any other

00:18:58
animal spider.

00:18:59
But yeah, then sharks I don't know if that's across the board

00:19:00
You're more likely to die by like almost any other animal

00:19:01
Spider bite Than sharks.

00:19:02
Dave: I don't know if that's true.

00:19:04
Garrett: Well, spider bites definitely.

00:19:05
Dave: Yeah, so thank you very much, lucy.

00:19:07
Yeah, I will a hundred percent swim with a tiger shark.

00:19:09
Yeah, and for the last mail call question, we have Debbie

00:19:13
from true crime university and she asks if you could visit any

00:19:17
crime scene before anyone fucked with it.

00:19:19
What would it be now debbie's?

00:19:22
She said hers would be the velisca axe murderers, the idaho

00:19:26
four or the delphite murders.

00:19:28
Those are all good ones, those are all like.

00:19:30
Garrett: I think I know what yours would be well, you already

00:19:32
know, but I'm not gonna say it because it's too it's.

00:19:34
It's easy.

00:19:35
What is it?

00:19:36
It's dommer dude.

00:19:36
I want to go in the apartment but oh, I thought somebody

00:19:40
different no, who were you gonna say?

00:19:43
Dave: uh, sharon tate house.

00:19:45
Garrett: Oh fuck, that'd be a good one.

00:19:46
That's what I thought you were gonna say.

00:19:48
I mean, I'd be in the pool, I'd be hanging out when the cops

00:19:51
got there.

00:19:52
I know I feel like the apartment is so iconic.

00:19:54
Yeah, um, I also uh, the amityville horror.

00:19:57
Uh murders too would be cool, just because I I don't know I

00:20:01
love that house.

00:20:01
I want to see the boat shed.

00:20:04
I was always interested in that story.

00:20:07
I don't know if I want to see dead children.

00:20:09
There's something about that apartment though Donner's

00:20:13
apartment Like the random shitty fish tank next to a couple

00:20:17
fucking weird.

00:20:18
It's such a bachelor's part.

00:20:20
It makes me laugh when I see pictures of that like who lives

00:20:22
like that there's, there's, like no blinds yeah, a random, like

00:20:28
uh metal chair yeah, just and then a shitty couch that he got

00:20:31
off of.

00:20:31
Amazon probably pick it up off the street.

00:20:35
Yeah, he picked it up off the street one wooden dresser just

00:20:38
full of fucking body parts in his face.

00:20:42
Dave: Yeah.

00:20:42
Garrett: I was thinking like no headboard for sure, yeah, just a

00:20:45
mattress on a.

00:20:47
Dave: On a fucking, on a box spring Slab.

00:20:49
Yeah, I was going to say, like the Wonderland murders, although

00:20:52
there is video of the crime scene with the victims still

00:20:56
present on YouTube.

00:20:57
You can see that video wherever .

00:20:58
So then I was thinking that I'll go with the Gainesville

00:21:05
Ripper murders, where he went in and for a two, three day period

00:21:07
he murdered five college kids, yeah, yeah, and then he

00:21:12
positioned the body he like cut one girl's head off.

00:21:14
Garrett: Yeah, but you just want to watch, you just want to see

00:21:18
what the bodies look like all positioned.

00:21:21
Speaker 4: Yeah so basically.

00:21:22
Dave: You're just going to walk.

00:21:23
You're the first one on the scene, basically Gotcha.

00:21:25
You know what I mean.

00:21:26
He positioned this one girl on the bed with her ass up in the

00:21:31
air, I guess, with her head on top of her fucking ass, or some

00:21:34
shit.

00:21:34
You know what I mean.

00:21:35
Another one he had something over on the fucking bookcase if

00:21:41
I could think about it I'd have.

00:21:43
Garrett: I'd come up with some better answer, but I first.

00:21:44
My first reaction is the Dahmer's apartment, the Dahmer's

00:21:47
apartment.

00:21:47
Dave: I wouldn't mind the Tate one also yeah, sure too, that

00:21:50
would be cool put a Labianco on.

00:21:52
Yeah, so yeah, I'm so thank you very much uh, debbie, and

00:21:57
that'll wrap it up for mail.

00:21:59
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00:22:49
florida.

00:22:49
Garrett: Yee-haw, what in the fuck is?

00:22:52
Going on in florida All right, we have two Florida men today,

00:23:08
because I just saw this, I'm going to get one more bite of

00:23:12
this peanut butter.

00:23:13
Are you actually going to?

00:23:14
Dave: eat it yeah.

00:23:17
Garrett: Oh you like it, I'm fucking hungry.

00:23:19
Oh my God.

00:23:20
Florida woman arrested.

00:23:22
Oh, it's actually a.

00:23:23
I'm fucking hungry, ugh, all right go.

00:23:25
Florida woman arrested oh, it's actually a Florida woman today,

00:23:27
sorry.

00:23:27
Florida woman arrested after gun found in child's lunchbox at

00:23:30
daycare.

00:23:30
It's so Florida.

00:23:32
Dave: Mom, can you pack me a lunchable?

00:23:35
Garrett: Yeah, pack me my high point.

00:23:38
Riviera Beach, florida.

00:23:39
A South Florida woman is facing charges after a gun was found

00:23:42
inside a child's lunchbox by a daycare teacher.

00:23:46
Shana Davis, 39, was arrested on charges of child neglect and

00:23:50
allowing a minor to obtain a firearm to take to school.

00:23:53
According to an arrest affidavit Affidavit, on March

00:24:00
14th a daycare teacher called Riviera beach police after

00:24:02
finding a gun in a child's lunchbox.

00:24:02
The teacher told police she was opening up the child's lunchbox

00:24:05
and screamed gun.

00:24:06
She saw the firearm inside of it.

00:24:11
The affidavit another teacher's response to help and pick up

00:24:16
the gun with gloves to determine if it was real, which it was

00:24:19
and they called police.

00:24:20
No one was hurt.

00:24:20
When davis arrived, she told law enforcement that she

00:24:23
normally leaves the gun in her car's glove box but lately had

00:24:27
been taking the weapon out of the car because of the multiple

00:24:29
break-ins at her apartment complex.

00:24:31
So so you throw it in your kid she said on that morning, while

00:24:35
she was getting the child ready for school, she placed the gun

00:24:38
inside the lunchbox because she did not carry a purse.

00:24:40
What, oh my?

00:24:43
Dave: God what.

00:24:43
Garrett: There's no way and did not want the gun to be visible.

00:24:47
Davis told police she forgot to take the gun out of the

00:24:50
lunchbox.

00:24:50
There is no way.

00:24:53
How the fuck did that even happen?

00:24:55
Though the owner of the school did not want to press charges,

00:24:59
Davis was taken into custody and booked.

00:25:00
Speaker 3: I hope, so what the fuck you mean?

00:25:01
Garrett: not press charges into the bill like that that's an

00:25:04
immediate dcf.

00:25:05
Uh, yeah, call everything but the principal was like that's

00:25:08
fine now I get it, it's florida davis was taken into custody and

00:25:16
booked into the palm beach county jail jesus fucking wild.

00:25:21
Dave: Oh, here's your fucking crustables.

00:25:24
Your carrot sticks the crazy part and glock the crazy part is

00:25:27
, is that could have ended so bad.

00:25:30
Garrett: Oh bad, yeah.

00:25:30
Like if the teacher didn't catch it, it's daycare, so you

00:25:33
know they're young if they don't they just like send them to

00:25:35
their like little circle, like eat at lunch, and nobody caught

00:25:39
it and that kid picks that fucking thing up.

00:25:41
Oh, it's fucking.

00:25:42
Dave: Whoa, that's scary shit, dude.

00:25:44
Garrett: Yeah, that's serious.

00:25:46
What a dumb ass person.

00:25:49
Alright, what's the other one?

00:25:50
Alright, the other one, the other one's good.

00:25:53
Man masturbating while riding child's bicycle in a Walmart

00:25:57
parking lot arrested.

00:25:58
Dave: No, no, no, no no, no, no, no the crackhead on the Barbie

00:26:04
bike strikes again.

00:26:05
Garrett: Oh my God, We've talked about this on the podcast about

00:26:07
crackheads riding little kid bikes, dude, they're unstoppable

00:26:12
.

00:26:12
A man caught masturbating on a child's bicycle in a Walmart

00:26:14
parking lot was arrested and charged with indecent exposure.

00:26:17
Lot was arrested and charged with indecent exposure.

00:26:19
On March 21st, the Margate Police Department received an

00:26:22
indecent exposure call from the Walmart parking lot located at

00:26:24
5501 West Atlantic Boulevard.

00:26:26
Upon arrival, officers spoke with the victim, a homeless

00:26:29
woman who was in her vehicle at the time.

00:26:31
Oh, that's horrible.

00:26:32
The woman reported a man and later identified as Mondale

00:26:37
Ellis, 37, of North Lauderdale, was masturbating while on a

00:26:41
child's bicycle mirror truck.

00:26:42
I want to quite.

00:26:43
How are you jerking off, yeah, while you're riding a bike?

00:26:46
Dave: that's some crazy like I'm gonna see you like kind of like

00:26:49
doing loops, just yeah, hovering around like a shark

00:26:52
around the car.

00:26:53
Garrett: He's fucking stroking his fucking meat, staring at the

00:26:56
lady in the car fucking high as a kite just swarming around her

00:27:00
fucking car like a shark rubbing his fucking dick out oh

00:27:04
man.

00:27:05
Based on the description given by the victim, police quickly

00:27:07
located and confronted Ellis.

00:27:08
Officers were able to have the victim positively identified,

00:27:12
ellis, as the man she was saw masturbating outside her truck.

00:27:14
Ellis was arrested and transported to the Broward

00:27:18
County Main Jail where he was being held on $2 bond.

00:27:22
Wow, I just thought that was so funny.

00:27:25
Dave: Excuse me, ma'am, Is this the man that was masturbating on

00:27:28
the bike?

00:27:28
Sir, whip your dick out please.

00:27:30
Garrett: No, there's no way.

00:27:31
You don't see that guy Like no, you could spot him in a lineup

00:27:35
for sure.

00:27:36
Dave: Start masturbating, please , sir.

00:27:37
Yes, that's him he lineup, for sure Start masturbating, please,

00:27:41
sir.

00:27:41
Garrett: You know what he probably?

00:27:42
Yes, that's him.

00:27:42
He probably had one of those raggy coats on and he's just

00:27:42
woo-hoo.

00:27:42
I think Reno 911 when.

00:27:43
Speaker 4: I hear that the kid on the roller skates.

00:27:46
Speaker 3: Nick Skortzen plays the doodle-do.

00:27:49
Woo Woo.

00:27:51
Dave: Just fucking going to town .

00:27:53
Garrett: Oh, that's a funny sight.

00:27:53
I'm telling you it just adds to the lore of crackheads on

00:27:57
Barbie bikes.

00:27:57
Yep, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding,

00:28:00
ding.

00:28:01
What's in the water in Florida?

00:28:04
Dave: All right, let's get right to this story here.

00:28:05
Back in 1986, two sisters who decided to have a seance to

00:28:09
conjure up their dead mother's spirit Thought they actually

00:28:12
succeeded, but what happened was a lot more sinister than what

00:28:16
they expected.

00:28:17
So pack up your lunchbox.

00:28:20
Don't forget your glock, because it's time to fuck this

00:28:24
episode in the mouth.

00:28:25
All right, so in 1986, sisters tina and karen bowen, age 15 and

00:28:30
9, had recently lost their mother to cancer.

00:28:33
In a desperate attempt to feel a connection with their late

00:28:35
mother, the girls decided to have a seance in their basement.

00:28:38
They didn't expect anything to come of it, but what if the

00:28:43
girls conducted the seance and, as expected, nothing happened?

00:28:46
Later that evening, the girls began hearing rhythmic knocking

00:28:50
on their bedroom wall.

00:28:51
In the middle of the night, the two girls began speaking to

00:28:54
these strange knocking sounds and, shockingly, the knocks

00:28:56
appeared to be in response to the questions the girls were

00:28:57
asking.

00:28:58
In each question they asked, the knocks appeared to be in

00:28:59
response to the questions the girls were asking.

00:29:00
In each question they asked, the knocks seemed to have the

00:29:03
correct answer.

00:29:03
Perhaps the seance did work.

00:29:07
This went on for several nights in a row.

00:29:08
It appeared that the girls had their mother back, albeit from

00:29:11
another realm.

00:29:11
The knocks began to become more frequent, even if the girls

00:29:17
weren't asking any questions.

00:29:18
It came to the point where they would be woken up from a deep

00:29:20
sleep, night after night, unprovoked, and Knox would keep

00:29:23
the girls awake a few weeks later.

00:29:25
Objects throughout the house began to disappear.

00:29:27
Furniture would be moved from one spot in the house to another

00:29:30
and sometimes irons would be strewn across the floor.

00:29:33
Garrett: I'm not gonna lie.

00:29:34
This would start scaring the out of me.

00:29:36
Dave: Yeah, it would start scaring if none of this happened

00:29:38
prior to this and seance you did and then everything started

00:29:41
happening.

00:29:42
Fuck, I'd be shitting my fucking pants.

00:29:44
So both Tina and Karen now believe that their seance didn't

00:29:47
conjure the spirit of their beloved mother, but that of a

00:29:50
malevolent spirit brought something else.

00:29:52
The girls spoke with their father, frank Bowen, and

00:29:56
explained the seance, the knocking and the items going

00:29:59
missing and being moved around without reason.

00:30:00
Of course, frank didn't believe a word that they had told him.

00:30:04
He was rather confident that the girls, in an attempt to deal

00:30:06
with their mother's death, made up the entire story.

00:30:09
They in fact were the ones who were creating the mischief

00:30:12
throughout the house.

00:30:13
Garrett: I would have to believe that too, as their father.

00:30:15
You know it's a rough time Kids are going through the loss of

00:30:18
their mom.

00:30:18
Dave: They're making stuff up In January of 1987, the knocking

00:30:24
once again began while Tina and Karen were home alone.

00:30:27
This time, while they were in the living room of the home.

00:30:30
Rather than coming from the walls, the knocks were coming

00:30:33
from the basement.

00:30:34
The girls, armed with a kitchen knife, made their way down the

00:30:38
stairs.

00:30:39
There they made a shocking discovery.

00:30:41
Written on the wall, in a red substance, were the words I'm in

00:30:46
your bedroom.

00:30:47
Come and find me.

00:30:48
Garrett: Fucking terrifying.

00:30:50
Dave: Tina and Karen screamed, and they ran as fast as they

00:30:53
could from their house to that of their neighbor, where they

00:30:55
called their father at work and told him to come home right away

00:30:58
.

00:30:58
Frank came home immediately and , still believing that this was

00:31:02
the work of his daughters, decided enough was enough.

00:31:04
Tina and Karen were sent to counseling to help them come to

00:31:08
terms with the loss of their mother.

00:31:13
Garrett: Several weeks had passed and the girls were home

00:31:14
alone again when he thought they needed it Right Always, always.

00:31:17
That's a good thing.

00:31:19
Dave: Mm-hmm.

00:31:19
Several weeks had passed and the girls were home alone again.

00:31:23
Out of the blue they heard the knocking noises once again, this

00:31:26
time coming from Tina's room, behind the wall.

00:31:29
The girls entered the bedroom and written on the wall in a red

00:31:34
substance was I'm back.

00:31:37
Find me if you can.

00:31:39
Oh fuck that so was.

00:31:41
I'm back.

00:31:41
Find me if you can.

00:31:41
Ah, fuck that.

00:31:42
So the girls again ran screaming to their neighbor's

00:31:43
house and called their father, explaining everything that had

00:31:45
just occurred.

00:31:46
Frank again raced home and berated the girls.

00:31:49
Enough is enough.

00:31:50
Frank was determined to get to the bottom of this.

00:31:53
Either the girls are playing these tricks to get attention or

00:31:57
they really did summon their mother from beyond the grave.

00:31:59
What else could it be right?

00:32:02
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:32:03
Dave: So Frank stormed into the house and was taken aback.

00:32:05
The house was in shambles.

00:32:07
The girls didn't say this when they explained what happened.

00:32:10
Frank cautiously made his way through the house while the

00:32:13
girls and the neighbor stayed downstairs.

00:32:14
Frank entered Tina's room and in a fresh inscription on the

00:32:19
wall were the words Marry me.

00:32:22
Suddenly, frank is startled when he hears a noise coming

00:32:25
from the closet.

00:32:26
He quickly turns around and sees a person standing in Tina's

00:32:29
closet dressed in his dead wife's clothes.

00:32:32
Garrett: That's fucking terrifying.

00:32:34
Dave: The person charged, frank wielding a hatchet, and a

00:32:36
struggle ensued In the commotion .

00:32:39
The person broke free and managed to disappear into thin

00:32:42
air.

00:32:42
Frank stumbled out of the bedroom and raced down the

00:32:45
stairs.

00:32:45
He grabbed the girls and they and the neighbor ran out of the

00:32:48
house to call the police.

00:32:49
The police arrived and moved in to clear the house.

00:32:53
The inscriptions on the walls they discovered were written in

00:32:56
ketchup.

00:32:56
When they investigated further, they noticed that a false wall

00:33:00
was built in the teen's closet.

00:33:02
They opened this wall and inside, still dressed in their

00:33:05
dead mother's clothes, was a boy , a 15-year-old named Daniel

00:33:10
LaPlante.

00:33:10
Garrett: What a fucking lunatic.

00:33:11
I'm not going to lie, though.

00:33:13
That's a good touch to dress as the dead mom and listen, you

00:33:17
got to give credit where it's due.

00:33:18
Speaker 3: That's like some psycho fucking shit.

00:33:19
That's what I mean.

00:33:20
Garrett: You got to give credit where it's due to really like he

00:33:22
went above and beyond to traumatize those girls if they

00:33:25
found him.

00:33:26
Dave: So LaPlante was immediately arrested and taken

00:33:28
into custody.

00:33:29
Police continued to search the rest of the home.

00:33:31
It was learned that LaPlante would enter the home when it was

00:33:35
vacant and made the access through Tina's closet.

00:33:38
There were peepholes in each of the rooms throughout the house,

00:33:41
and LaPlante even constructed access to other areas of the

00:33:44
home so he could easily make it from the bedroom to the basement

00:33:47
through the walls without notice.

00:33:50
Garrett: He was like a fucking little rat.

00:33:53
Dave: And it was learned that la plant was actually living in

00:33:55
these walls for weeks, jesus talk about taking stalking to

00:34:00
another level.

00:34:00
Garrett: Dude.

00:34:02
What's crazy is he never actually like tried to make

00:34:05
contact at that point, like clearly the guy is psychotic.

00:34:07
He was living like.

00:34:08
I think he enjoyed the, the scaring like that was.

00:34:11
That was his thing, because any other stalker would have

00:34:14
already tried to either kill them or take them captive or

00:34:18
whatever.

00:34:18
Dave: Right, he's playing the long game.

00:34:20
Garrett: The long game is understanding that you're

00:34:22
building tunnels in this person's house.

00:34:25
Dave: So how did we get to this point and who the fuck is Daniel

00:34:28
playing Criminal?

00:34:30
Af will be back after this quick break.

00:34:32
Speaker 3: So you like to listen to people talk about crime, but

00:34:35
did you ever wonder why criminals do the things they do,

00:34:39
like what makes them tick?

00:34:41
My name is Debbie and I'm the professor at True Crime

00:34:45
University.

00:34:46
Join me in the classroom Thursdays wherever you get your

00:34:50
podcasts for intellectual discussions about crime,

00:34:54
psychology and why criminals do what they do.

00:34:57
See you there.

00:34:59
Dave: Now back to Criminal AF.

00:35:00
So Daniel LaPlante was born in Townsend, massachusetts, back in

00:35:05
1970.

00:35:05
From what I've read, he suffered a horrible and

00:35:09
traumatic childhood, but there isn't much to go on as far as

00:35:12
documented examples as he was a minor and a lot of information

00:35:16
is sealed, but for all intents and purposes it is said to be

00:35:20
worse than most people can imagine.

00:35:21
It's known that LaPlante suffered extreme sexual and

00:35:26
physical abuse from a number of adults involved in his young

00:35:29
life.

00:35:29
Abuse from a number of adults involved in his young life his

00:35:33
biological father is said to be the worst of them all, abusing

00:35:34
him sexually, emotionally and physically on a daily basis.

00:35:37
This abuse would continue after his parents separated and his

00:35:41
new stepfather would allegedly sexually abuse him as well.

00:35:44
Wow, his mom really picks him oh yeah, yeah, she's like hmm, I

00:35:47
see you got a decent job, you drive a nice car.

00:35:49
Uh, do you fuck you?

00:35:50
You fuck little boys.

00:35:51
Okay, yeah, you can move in.

00:35:53
Uh.

00:35:53
He was diagnosed with dyslexia and hyperactivity disorder and

00:35:57
he fell behind in school at a young age, both academically and

00:36:00
socially, and was picked on relentlessly by his classmates.

00:36:03
Things only became worse when the plant entered high school.

00:36:06
At north middlesex high school.

00:36:07
He was the weird kid, the creepy kid, and he was bullied

00:36:11
incessantly.

00:36:12
Laplante's mental and emotional state rapidly declined as a

00:36:16
result of the extreme abuse, both in the home and at school.

00:36:19
School officials decided that LaPlante would be best served if

00:36:23
he began seeing a psychiatrist, and his mother agreed it's a

00:36:27
good idea, right, the one good decision she probably made.

00:36:32
Nope, because this would make an already bad situation for the

00:36:36
planet even worse.

00:36:37
The psychiatrist who was entrusted to help him soon began

00:36:42
sexually abusing him as well.

00:36:43
Jesus christ, another male figure in his tormented life

00:36:48
taking advantage of a seriously disturbed young man.

00:36:50
Garrett: You couldn't get away from one of these guys.

00:36:53
No, every day.

00:36:55
Dave: I don't know, but you fucking psychiatrist is Ugh Wow.

00:37:00
So, as can be expected, by the time LaPlante turned 15, he was

00:37:05
already well-versed in criminal activity.

00:37:07
Often breaking into people's homes, he would steal items from

00:37:11
these homes.

00:37:11
Sometimes he would just rearrange things, and other

00:37:13
times he'd leave behind items he stole from other houses.

00:37:16
Eventually, he just broke into these homes for no personal gain

00:37:20
other than to just fuck with people, which led him to 15 year

00:37:25
old Tina Bowen.

00:37:26
Now it's unclear how his obsession with Tina began,

00:37:29
whether he saw her in school or if he saw a picture on a wall

00:37:32
when he broke into her house, but the obsession was pretty

00:37:36
immediate.

00:37:37
Garrett: I would say yeah.

00:37:39
Dave: Now it's believed that LaPlante allegedly acquired her

00:37:42
phone number during one of his many break-ins and began calling

00:37:45
her.

00:37:45
At first LaPlante introduced himself to Tina, saying that he

00:37:49
had gotten her phone number from a mutual friend who went to the

00:37:51
same school.

00:37:52
Laplante described himself as athletic, handsome,

00:37:57
well-educated, blonde hair.

00:37:59
You know just, a boy next door, you know whatever?

00:38:02
A Disney prince?

00:38:03
Yeah, pretty much.

00:38:05
And over time Tina Bowen became smitten with the mysterious

00:38:08
Danny who she spoke to almost nightly.

00:38:09
Eventually, danny asked Tina if she would like to go on a date

00:38:10
and she agreed.

00:38:11
Became smitten with the mysterious Danny who she spoke

00:38:12
to almost nightly.

00:38:12
Eventually, danny asked Tina if she would like to go on a date

00:38:15
and she agreed.

00:38:16
On the night of the date, danny shows up and knocks on her door

00:38:20
.

00:38:20
When Tina opens the door to greet him, she was shocked to

00:38:24
discover that Danny was not blonde or athletic or even

00:38:27
fucking good looking.

00:38:29
Garrett: You would think that, like if you were going to go on

00:38:31
a date, you would think that, like if you were gonna go on a

00:38:32
date, you would just be like, all right, I've been lying yeah

00:38:33
here's the truth.

00:38:34
This guy just talk about psychotic.

00:38:36
Dave: This guy just showed up like hey shows up on the front

00:38:39
porch and he's disheveled, he's dirty, his clothes are all

00:38:43
fucking disgusting.

00:38:44
He's got greasy, dark hair.

00:38:45
Now most girls would freak the fuck out and slam the door in

00:38:48
his face, if only for the sole reason that he lied.

00:38:51
But Tina was different.

00:38:53
She was kind and she didn't want to hurt his feelings, so

00:38:57
she reluctantly agreed to go on a date to the local fair.

00:39:00
The conversation quickly turned strange.

00:39:03
After Tina divulged to LaPlante that her mother recently died

00:39:07
Suddenly, laplante's shy demeanor quickly vanished.

00:39:09
He began asking Tina multiple questions about her mother's

00:39:13
death.

00:39:13
What did she die from?

00:39:15
Did she die quick or did she suffer On and on with rapid-fire

00:39:18
questions about Tina's mother's death?

00:39:20
After about an hour or so, tina made the excuse to end the date

00:39:24
and she left with every intention of never seeing or

00:39:27
speaking to LaPlante ever again.

00:39:29
Laplante obviously, as we already spoke about, had other

00:39:32
ideas.

00:39:34
He was present inside the walls of tina's house when she and her

00:39:37
sister decided to hold the seance, and the rest is history

00:39:41
oh, he must love that oh yeah, now after laplante's arrest for

00:39:45
breaking into the bones house, he was charged with four counts

00:39:48
of kidnapping, really four counts of armed assault in a

00:39:51
dwelling, breaking and entering, larceny of more than $100, and

00:39:56
malicious destruction of property.

00:39:57
He was placed in a juvenile detention facility where he

00:40:01
stayed until October of 1987.

00:40:04
Garrett: I wonder why the kidnapping charges.

00:40:07
Dave: Because he intended to kidnap him.

00:40:10
Garrett: But intent is not.

00:40:11
Dave: I don't know, that's what I just found on there.

00:40:13
No, no, just interesting to me.

00:40:15
Garrett: I was just seeing, if you, think you had put it

00:40:17
together.

00:40:17
You know they throw random charges and stuff like that.

00:40:19
Dave: Yeah, just see if it sticks.

00:40:21
Garrett: But that's interesting.

00:40:22
I didn't think kidnapping would be.

00:40:24
Well, they had it for the father, the two girls and the

00:40:39
neighbor, because they were all in the house at the time he

00:40:40
attacked, so maybe I don't know, interesting, weird uh all our

00:40:41
uh legal friends out there.

00:40:42
Yeah, comment send in, send it in.

00:40:42
I'm curious how?

00:40:43
Why did he get kidnapped?

00:40:44
Dave: all right.

00:40:45
So he was placed in a juvenile detention facility where he

00:40:48
stayed until october of 1987, when his case was transferred

00:40:52
from juvenile court to adult court, which now made him

00:40:55
eligible for a bond.

00:40:56
It's believed his mother bailed him out, but he was scheduled

00:41:01
to return for another hearing on December 11th 1987, but we will

00:41:05
soon learn that LaPlante had other plans.

00:41:08
Upon his release in October, LaPlante immediately reverted

00:41:12
back to breaking into people's homes.

00:41:15
Garrett: I'll tell you right now , as a judge, like listening to

00:41:19
the story and like recounting there's clearly something wrong

00:41:22
with this fucking boy.

00:41:23
It needs to be psychiatric help , Something like that.

00:41:27
That is a long.

00:41:29
Like you said, it's the long game.

00:41:31
For sure A normal person doesn't.

00:41:34
There's definitely like some scary behavior there.

00:41:37
Dave: Absolutely, absolutely.

00:41:38
He's definitely got some deep, deep, deep fucking shit going on

00:41:43
.

00:41:43
In November, laplante broke into his neighbor's house and

00:41:46
stole two handguns and ammunition On December 1st.

00:41:51
I wonder if he put them in his lunchbox, carried around in his

00:41:55
fucking A-team.

00:41:57
Garrett: My little pony.

00:41:59
Dave: On December 1st 1987, this story takes an even darker and

00:42:03
more twisted turn.

00:42:04
During the day of December 1st, laplante broke into a home less

00:42:08
than a mile from his house.

00:42:09
Inside the home was 33-year-old Priscilla Gustafson, a

00:42:14
preschool teacher who was also pregnant, and her two children,

00:42:17
7-year-old Abigail and 5-year-old William.

00:42:20
Priscilla's husband, andrew, was at work at the time.

00:42:24
When he returned later that day , andrew's entire life was

00:42:28
turned upside down.

00:42:28
He entered his home as he did every other day, greeted by his

00:42:33
children racing up to him to give him a hug and a kiss.

00:42:35
But today the house was eerily quiet.

00:42:39
Garrett: It's just eerie to me because that's literally would

00:42:42
be right around the same age as my kids my wife.

00:42:45
Dave: That's how you walk in the door.

00:42:47
Imagine walking in the door and there's nothing.

00:42:49
Garrett: Nothing that would completely red flag right off

00:42:52
the rip.

00:42:52
Yeah, oh, that's that's.

00:42:54
I just feel for the husband yeah.

00:42:56
Dave: So andrew calls throughout the house, but there is no

00:42:58
answer from priscilla or the kids concerned.

00:43:01
He begins going from room to room in search of his family.

00:43:04
Inside their bedroom, andrew discovers priscilla face down on

00:43:10
their bed, pillows and bedding soaked in blood, naked from the

00:43:13
waist down.

00:43:14
Andrew immediately calls police .

00:43:17
It was discovered soon after what had happened to the

00:43:20
children.

00:43:20
Five-year-old William was found in the upstairs bathroom tub

00:43:24
floating in water.

00:43:25
Seven-year-old Abigail was found in a similar state in the

00:43:29
downstairs bathroom tub.

00:43:30
He had drowned both kids.

00:43:32
So how did the planet so quickly turn into a petty thief?

00:43:37
Garrett: Yeah, that's huge.

00:43:38
That's a huge escalation there.

00:43:40
I mean, what was it about that?

00:43:43
Was it the defenseless?

00:43:47
Dave: Well, from what they're saying, all he was up until this

00:43:50
point was a petty thief.

00:43:50
He fucked up people, he just moved shit around, blah, blah,

00:43:52
blah.

00:43:52
And now he's going in.

00:43:54
And now he's a rapist and a murderer, right, yeah, so it's

00:43:57
believed that LaPlante.

00:43:58
He always had that viciousness inside of him, but he was like

00:44:01
either too weak, too scrawny.

00:44:03
He didn't have the confidence whatever to pull it off until he

00:44:08
got a hold of his neighbor's guns.

00:44:09
Now he had something to be like yeah, what now, motherfucker?

00:44:13
Garrett: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you going to run, you going to run.

00:44:15
Dave: Right.

00:44:16
So now he had the power to control people and he'd been

00:44:23
eyeing this particular house for some time and he knew what time

00:44:24
Andrew left for work and when he would return, making a

00:44:28
pregnant Priscilla alone with her two young children an easy

00:44:31
target.

00:44:31
But if there was one thing that LaPlante wasn't, it would be

00:44:36
that he wasn't smart.

00:44:37
He's a fucking idiot.

00:44:39
Garrett: I mean, depends how you look at it too.

00:44:41
Dave: I mean he was kind of smart to burrow through

00:44:42
somebody's fucking house.

00:44:43
That's what I mean.

00:44:44
Garrett: To live unnoticed in someone's house for a week.

00:44:46
It's just a different type of smart.

00:44:49
Dave: Right, but he flubbed a lot of things here.

00:44:52
So police quickly surmised that , uh, it was he who broke into

00:44:57
the house and committed murders.

00:44:58
He had a history of breaking into neighbor's houses and he

00:45:01
was just recently released for the incident with the bone

00:45:03
family, so he was added to a very short list of suspects.

00:45:07
Uh, police went to track down, laplante his home, but, uh, he

00:45:11
had fled.

00:45:12
A search was conducted of his home and police found a pair of

00:45:15
sneakers that matched the tread found in the garden of the

00:45:18
gustafson home.

00:45:19
A sock with saliva and blood was found.

00:45:23
Oh, this guy just kept everything.

00:45:24
Yeah, believed to have been tied around priscilla's mouth, a

00:45:28
cordless phone that was taken from the gustafson home in and a

00:45:32
.22 caliber casing which matched two casings found near

00:45:35
Priscilla's body, amongst numerous other items.

00:45:38
Garrett: So he did.

00:45:39
He raped and shot the mom.

00:45:41
Dave: Yes, he raped her, shot her multiple times in the back

00:45:47
of the head and then drowned the children.

00:45:49
His trail was picked up after LaPlante had broken into another

00:45:54
home and kidnapped a woman and stole her car.

00:45:56
The woman luckily escaped and called the police.

00:45:59
After another witness called, saying that they saw LaPlante,

00:46:04
he was finally found less than 48 hours later hiding in a

00:46:07
dumpster.

00:46:08
When he was taken into custody, his clothing was processed and

00:46:12
police found strains of hair on his socks that were eventually

00:46:15
linked to seven-year-old Abigail .

00:46:17
On December 4th 1987, LaPlante pleaded not guilty for three

00:46:22
counts of first-degree murder and his trial began in October

00:46:25
of 1988.

00:46:27
Garrett: Three counts.

00:46:27
There was a baby in there too.

00:46:30
Dave: Yeah, back in the 80s, I don't think they counted babies

00:46:33
as.

00:46:34
Garrett: That's a good law that they added then, because that

00:46:36
should have been four counts.

00:46:39
Dave: LaPlante was ordered to undergo a psychological

00:46:41
examination and he was deemed fit to stand trial as he

00:46:45
acknowledged and understood the charges against him and the

00:46:47
ramifications of the charges, even though he was still a minor

00:46:51
at the time of the murders.

00:46:52
He would be tried as an adult.

00:46:53
There were over 50 witnesses called during the trial and

00:46:58
LaPlante did himself no favors by smiling, laughing and showing

00:47:01
absolutely no remorse whatsoever during witness and

00:47:04
expert testimony.

00:47:05
Even when they were talking about how the murders were

00:47:08
committed, he was just sitting there like fucking thriving.

00:47:11
Garrett: Yeah, if you look at the pictures of him in court, he

00:47:14
doesn't look like.

00:47:15
Looks really similar to the Parkland shooter.

00:47:19
Dave: Yeah.

00:47:20
Garrett: The same demeanor that he had.

00:47:21
Dave: Yep.

00:47:21
So his defense attorneys.

00:47:23
They try to garner some sympathy from the jurors by

00:47:25
painting a picture of LaPlante's childhood filled with physical,

00:47:28
emotional, sexual abuse by his biological father, his

00:47:32
stepfather, psychiatrist.

00:47:33
And you know, as we say many times in the show, we feel bad

00:47:36
for the child version of these shit stains.

00:47:37
Yeah, but that all goes out the window when they willingly and

00:47:40
knowingly go on to abuse and murder, especially drowned a

00:47:43
five and seven year old.

00:47:44
Garrett: Yeah, like you, you gotta have.

00:47:46
Like it doesn't make you feel tough.

00:47:48
Yeah, I don't, I don't get that .

00:47:50
I I mean, clearly I'm not a fucking sadistic murderer.

00:47:54
So I just don't understand how someone can do that your

00:47:58
childhood was so fucked up.

00:47:59
Dave: You're gonna turn around and you're gonna fucking kill

00:48:01
knowledge.

00:48:01
You're gonna kill.

00:48:02
Garrett: It's not a chase either it's not a thrill to kill a

00:48:04
five and seven year old, especially drown them in a tub

00:48:07
you're done.

00:48:07
I mean maybe for him he thinks he's big.

00:48:09
Like you said, it's a well, they were restrained.

00:48:12
Dave: They were restrained too.

00:48:12
The kids, they're all restrained, yeah, hands tied

00:48:15
behind their back, fucking ankles tied, all of them but I

00:48:18
was saying, like you said with the, with the gun you know a gun

00:48:20
made him feel big right and he felt like I, I don't know.

00:48:24
Garrett: I don't know, maybe that was, maybe he was bullied

00:48:25
his whole life and he felt like a fucking loser I I don't know

00:48:29
it, it's crazy to me.

00:48:30
Dave: Yeah, so the case finally went to the jury and they came

00:48:33
back five hours later saying that Daniel LaPlante, you can go

00:48:38
fist yourself for the rest of your fucking useless, miserable

00:48:40
life.

00:48:40
Good Guilty on all counts.

00:48:42
Three consecutive life sentences with the possibility

00:48:45
of parole after 45 years what yeah?

00:48:48
Garrett: There's no way he got possibility of parole.

00:48:49
Yeah, 45 years.

00:48:52
Dave: He's not going to get it, but he got 45.

00:48:53
Oh Now, as we all know that with any murder conviction the

00:48:59
cum stain gets, fucking appeals.

00:49:00
So in 1993, he appealed that the search warrant of his home

00:49:05
was unconstitutional and should not have been granted.

00:49:08
And as we know, this is where the majority of the evidence

00:49:15
against him was found.

00:49:16
And if granted, all of the evidence would be ruled

00:49:18
inadmissible.

00:49:19
So the appeal court said hey, daniel LaPlante, you can keep

00:49:24
fisting yourself in fucking prison.

00:49:26
Speaker 5: Good for them.

00:49:27
Dave: Yeah, so well.

00:49:31
Laplante wasn't satisfied with just fisting himself, so he had

00:49:33
other needs in prison.

00:49:34
Damn it, I have other needs than just fisting myself.

00:49:37
Garrett: Well, crime against children.

00:49:39
He was probably getting fisted by someone else.

00:49:41
Yeah, let's be honest.

00:49:43
Dave: It says here that LaPlante .

00:49:46
He felt that his life was in danger, yeah, so he requested to

00:49:49
be transferred and placed in confinement.

00:49:51
This was granted.

00:49:53
But then he turns around and sues the prison system because

00:49:56
he was denied access to the library, which you don't get to

00:50:00
go to the library when you're in solitary confinement.

00:50:03
Garrett: This guy thinks he's a mastermind.

00:50:06
Dave: Well, they awarded him $450 for his inconvenience Can't

00:50:10
go to the library.

00:50:10
Here's $450.

00:50:11
Add it to your commissary.

00:50:12
Garrett: Yeah, people would probably pay like oh good, here

00:50:15
I'll pay his fine for him.

00:50:16
Speaker 5: Fuck him Fuck him.

00:50:18
Speaker 3: I would do it.

00:50:19
Garrett: Oh, I'm so sorry, buddy .

00:50:20
Here's $450 for your fucking soap shoes and your whatever you

00:50:25
buy.

00:50:25
Yeah, your ramen Fuck you.

00:50:27
Dave: Yeah, Fuck you Yep.

00:50:28
So then he sued again when porn he received in the mail was

00:50:32
confiscated.

00:50:33
Now porn is considered contraband, you fucking idiot.

00:50:37
Of course it's going to get confiscated.

00:50:38
Who the fuck?

00:50:39
Garrett: is sending him porn.

00:50:39
I don't know.

00:50:40
There's probably some fucking sick weirdos.

00:50:42
Dave: There's some people out there that fucking send nude

00:50:44
photos and shit.

00:50:45
Garrett: Listen, even though I think some of our fans would

00:50:46
probably do that.

00:50:48
Some of the listeners of Criminal AF are definitely

00:50:51
sending some nudies to To fucking LaPlante.

00:50:53
Dave: Yeah, there you go.

00:50:55
Yeah.

00:50:56
So the prison system said you know what?

00:50:58
You don't get the porn, sorry, go fix yourself.

00:51:00
Now, in 2013, he sued again for what he claimed was refusal to

00:51:05
properly exercise his faith.

00:51:14
Garrett: He suddenly became a Wiccan and he was denied access

00:51:17
to dragon's blood, black opium and honeysuckle.

00:51:18
Oh, he's so annoying.

00:51:18
He's like that, that dude who's I don't even know.

00:51:19
I know that type of person.

00:51:21
Just try it just try to weasel.

00:51:23
Speaker 5: He's just a weasel he's trying to weasel his way

00:51:25
out of everything.

00:51:25
How do?

00:51:26
Garrett: you act like a prima donna in fucking when you have

00:51:29
three lifetime sentences now.

00:51:30
Dave: apparently I didn't realize this about the Wiccan

00:51:33
religion, but apparently carrot cake is also vital to practice

00:51:36
in Wiccan because that was part of his list that he was not in

00:51:40
access to Dragon's blood, black opium, honeysuckle and carrot

00:51:44
cake.

00:51:45
Garrett: That's interesting.

00:51:46
Dave: I don't know the rules of Wiccan, the Wiccan religion.

00:51:49
I think he just threw in carrot cake because he wanted a

00:51:51
fucking slice of carrot cake.

00:51:53
Garrett: Give me some black opium and some carrot cake.

00:51:55
He's the type that like please just send his.

00:51:58
If he keeps whining and crying, put him in gem pop dude,

00:52:00
because he won't fucking last.

00:52:01
No nope, all those poor guys who miss their wives and kids

00:52:05
would fuck that dude up.

00:52:08
Dave: They're like come here, come on over here, hold of that

00:52:13
dude.

00:52:13
Oh, they're like come here, yeah, come on over here, hold my

00:52:15
pocket.

00:52:15
So, basically, the prison system, they said uh, denied.

00:52:16
You know, go fuck yourself.

00:52:16
Now.

00:52:16
In 2017, laplante, now 46 years old, filed an appeal for a

00:52:22
reduced sentence after the supreme court ruled that people

00:52:26
who commit violent crimes as juveniles cannot be sentenced to

00:52:30
life in prison without parole.

00:52:32
At this point, he had been in prison for 30 years and he was a

00:52:36
changed man.

00:52:37
Garrett: Oh yeah, sure.

00:52:39
Dave: Now, with this change, this would automatically make

00:52:42
LaPlante eligible for parole right off the bat.

00:52:44
In his appeal, laplante made a statement.

00:52:47
I do not have the words to fully express my profound sorrow

00:52:52
, but I am truly sorry for the harm that I have caused From the

00:52:56
very essence of who I am, from the depths of my soul.

00:52:59
I am so sorry, but his words weren't as heartfelt as I just

00:53:07
read them.

00:53:07
He was disassociated from these words that were coming out of

00:53:11
his stupid fucking mouth.

00:53:12
So basically he was just like hey, I'm sorry, you know,

00:53:15
fucking shit happened.

00:53:16
Garrett: You wrote it down and it sounded nice written down.

00:53:18
It was like 30 years ago.

00:53:19
Get over it.

00:53:19
The real person came out when he tried to say it.

00:53:23
Dave: Now the judge, seeing right through the soulless demon

00:53:25
in front of her, said Mr LaPlante, I hear you like

00:53:29
fisting yourself and you can continue to go do so.

00:53:32
Your sentence stands Three life sentences.

00:53:36
He will still be eligible for parole in the year 2032, but

00:53:41
let's be serious, he'll never get out.

00:53:43
There's no rehabilitation for this dude.

00:53:45
No, what do you think, garrett?

00:53:48
What do you think of this story ?

00:53:50
Garrett: That was great.

00:53:50
I love this story.

00:53:51
It's a short one.

00:53:53
It's a short one.

00:53:53
It's a short one, but it's got a little bit of everything it's

00:53:55
got a little bit of everything, seances little, paranormal

00:53:58
little rats hiding in walls it's such a good story.

00:54:02
Dave: I think it touches everything.

00:54:03
It's got everything we say we talk about.

00:54:04
It's got murder, it's got rape, it's got torture.

00:54:08
It's got all the things all wrapped up in a little fucking

00:54:12
shell.

00:54:13
Garrett: Let's hope, though 2032 .

00:54:14
Let's hope the judge makes another good decision.

00:54:17
Let's let that motherfucker rot .

00:54:18
Dave: I mean, let's be honest, hopefully he's fucking dead by

00:54:20
then.

00:54:21
Garrett: Yeah, that's true.

00:54:23
Dave: All right, so that'll do it for Mystery, misery and

00:54:26
Murder by Criminal AF.

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